we had dinner the other night. and she said, you know, she is newly married and her husband was living in a different small community in the valley and on a temporary assignment. and she would go and visit him and said, you know, when you are out there, and you want to, a cup of coffee, then you look around and you know generally we found that starbucks has, you know, that quality that we can expect. she didn't say whether it was good or bad. but something that you could expect. and you know they would go there. but she said, you know? when you are back in san francisco, we never go to the chains. and she said because it is different here. there is so many other choices, you know, independent businesses, and that is the kind of thing that we like to support. and so when we are back in the city, we tend to go to independence or cafe and have coffee there or something.